Aziz, take note:

"Her work is a compilation of Astrotheology..."
And did she coin the term "Astrotheology"? If not, then she got it and any concepts contained within it from someone else, didn't she? Of course, there's no sense in expecting a True Believer of Acharya S. to be able to muster up enough reason to see that, but oh well.
And "original research" you say? Any and all of the elements in her book dealing with Christ being connected to other "savior Gods" and also connected to a Solar Myth have been in circulation for multiple decades, and in some cases even over a century.
Again, being a True Believer, you can easily gloss right over this FACT as well. So what else is new?!

"You mean you went to her groups to make false assumptions..."

Is this the best you came come up with? Her groups and their members are as transparent as she is. Not a single one of you there could stand open debate or discussion on any subject much less of her clownish Socialist conclusions that are to be found within her book. In fact, those conclusions were [ until I pointed them out in the most blatant manner ] something that not a single one of you was even aware of or able to grasp! I was banned because I demolished your ideals and was able to prove via YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR IN YOUR OWN GROUPS that my information on human behavior was valid! Let me repeat that; You idiots validated my positions for me through your own behavior while I was in your groups, and I even emailed you about it afterward and you posted that email for all to see!
And of course, Acharya S. and her inner circle of ass-kissers banned me. The logic, if you can call it that, which you people employ says that if you sweep something under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist, it won't! And while pretending, you can keep on trying to "make big magic" by chanting lies about the real world. By the way, that's why you, Aziz are here posting like you are! You're so pathetically absurd that you come to someone else's site and post on subjects unrelated to the position stated for the reason which the site exists! Well remember, people here who read all this AREN'T Acharya S. followers and True Believers. They'll take the content of your posts for what it is and you will have exposed yourself and your beloved Acharya for what you are.

"Actually, you come across as insane..."

Thanks for the compliment. When it comes to how people like yourself, Acharya S., and the rest of your little "nutty club" see me, I'd tend to worry if you DIDN'T consider me as "insane". Since you're insane yourselves and obviously incapable of facing the real world as it is, and also perpetually dreaming of some fantasy "mankind united" in a world where "everyone lives in organic harmony", its obvious who is crazy and who isn't. Equally, the fact that all of you are rabbidly hostile - so much so that you'll attack anyone for merey questioning your sacred dogma of Socialist lunacy - I'd say calling me "insane" is a pretty accurate reflection of your own mental condition.

"More like no one trusts these guys to pay up and $250.00 is not worth anybody's time."

More like you have once again revealed yourself and Acharya S. as a standing joke! Her reputation is in question and regardles of whether these "guys" paid up or not, if she is a reputalbe author she can't afford to leave this challenge stand! The more people who see it and the longer its around and left unanswered by her, the more she'll be seen as nothing more than a crank who churns out regurgitated and unsubstantiated information taken from other sources!
By not answering this challenge, Acharya S. reveals hereself as a hack and a crank, and its clearly obvious that she's no scholar of any sort. Your excuse about the money is an open admission of how deranged and transparent you and your other clique' members are, because if you actually think that people reading this and noticing your excuse are going to take it all as anything else except a hollow deception to hide cowardice, you clearly can't be anything but disturbed and insane.

"This comment clearly demonstrates that you really don't know her work at all."

Ah yes, here you are falling back on the usual excuse you and your cronies always offer to people in your group. Anyone who questions anything connected to the work of Acharya S. "clearly doesn't know her work"!
Well, for people who needed an outsider [me] to come along and point out Acharya's Socialist and reality-denying dream-fantasies related to a "world tomorrow" as stated CLEARLY in her book, you yourselves "CLEARLY DON'T KNOW HER WORK"...or grasp it, either.

"When you say 'other people' you are referring to yourself being banned several times..."

Nonsense. I was banned TWICE - once as "Bobbeckfan72" and another time as "Proton15". You lie when you say I was banned "several times". Other people include the Muslim guy, "Marc", and others have been banned because they questioned Acharya S. and her work's content. Aside from that, anyone can go to your groups, join them, begin questioning Acharya's work and views, and they'll instantly experience exactly the same behavior out of all of you that I did. They'll be banned. Anyone reading this can go and try it out, and they'll see if you or I are telling the truth here. And when you say that Acharya S. offered a video rebuttal geared toward the Zeitgeist Challenge "and all the rest", you are again showing how absurd you are. All Acharya S. ever had to do about this issue is come to this site, take the challenge and offer PROOF to back up what the challenge is all about, thereby settling the issue and saving her reputation as an author. Instead she offers a video response which itself has now been lampooned and shown to be exceptionally lacking.

"Okay, what are Frank and Christ White's qualifications/credentials, etc.?..."

Aziz, how the hell does your mind work? Frank and Chris are asking for verifiable evidence in the form of artifacts, writings, tablets, scrolls, etc., which show that the claims made by Acharya S. concerning Christ being connected to a Solar myth and/or other Savior Gods are accurate and can be substantiated. Only someone who was mentally deranged and unable to reason at even the simplest level of logic would ask the question you have concerning "qualifications/credentials". Someone who questions the work of a published author and who demands proof of that author's claims does not have to offer "qualifications/credentials" prior to asking their questions and making their demands for proof. They aren't the one's who are making sweeping whitewash claims and writing opinion as "fact", are they? It is up to the author being challenged to respond with the proof asked for. Its that simple.
Only an imbecile like yourself could post this sort of twaddle and actually feel good about it! You seem to have no idea of how other people are going to look at you and Acharya S., after reading this sort of trash from you. I mean, do you REALLY THINK that Acharya S. is so speacial just because she's written a book in which she regurgitates the information circulated by others long ago and tstates what amounts to nothing eexcept opinion and guessing as "fact"?
And do you really think that the childish slight-of-hand you're attempting to employ here in which you demand the qualifications and credentials of Frank and Chris is going to fool the people reading tyour post into thinking that this site has no value or validity and in so doing, get Acharya S. off the hook for her ongoing ducking of the challenge? If so think these things, you really are insane!
Go back to Acharya's groups and stay there. By coming here and leaving these utterly transparent posts, you're doing nothing except revealing how truly fragile and illogical your ( and Acharya's ) beliefs and ideals really are. The FACT that Acharya keeps ducking this challenge is an open admission of her being a hack and crank, and by repeatedly offering posts here in her defense, you're making an open admission of how you're nothing but a mindless follower and knee-jerk True Believer.

Having read your post, it is quite apparent that you have no intention of examining “any” material used in either Acharya’s books, (some of which went into the making of Zeitgeist Part 1) or taking part in this Zeitgeist Challenge; rather, you are still completely fixated with attacking Acharya herself, purely because she has raised rational and reasonable questions which you can’t answer. What you have done and are sadly still doing to Acharya is a typical cult tactic called, (shooting the messenger, not the message.) You can’t handle the information presented so to distract from its impact, you question things like, the methodology or the personal credibility of the individual. Your hope is that people's eyes will glaze over the presented core facts and focus on things like, how data was acquired, how it is presented, or hoping that the reader will be convinced by some kind of accusations about Acharya, even if the accusations are completely irrelevant to the issue, which yours are!

It is well know that “being a messenger is no fun, unless the news is good”.

Furthermore, any information, regardless whether it comes from pre-existing sources or from researching other people’s findings is completely irrelevant. It is the primary information that makes the core of the work, which is important and (anybody) in any game will tell you that it does not matter WHO scores the winning goal, so long as it is THEIR team that wins, and you my friend are on the loosing side. You survive by delusion and assail by confusion because you have been usurped by a lady! But the facts still remain the same in that, “Jesus was a mythical figure, a personification of the SUN like so many other ancient fables and fairy tales before. And Christianity was nothing more than a 3rd century, politically motivated construction, most of which was plagiarised from the Egyptian religion to maintain social control, then and now”. If you have any constructive and beneficial information showing the information in the Christ Conspiracy to be false, thus proving Jesus was NOT a mythical figure and NOT a personification of the SUN but was a real “historical” personage, then either put up or fucking shut up! “For once and for all!”

In the mean time, may I very, very politely re-direct you to purchasing the 2007 CD, “Snakes & Arrows”. Relax in an out-stretched cosy chair, (preferably with padded headphones), press play, read the lyrics as you go and lets see if you are clever enough to work out the cryptic clues, as currently you have shown you don’t have a clue about personified _object_s and are a “Far Cry” from attaining any true enlightenment from the works of Acharya S!

Kindest regards, SAIFAI

Saifai, you simply cannot comprehend that Acharya's "work"; how it sounds, how it adds up in your view, how nicely it is presented, etc., has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the purpose of this site or the challenge. What is being asked for here is factual proof that can back up what Acharya says about Christ and the _link_s to a Solar myth and/or connections to other savior gods of different civilizations. You are relentlessly making and offering excuses for Acharya S. from every slant and approach except the one that matters - the stance connected to EVIDENCE. You accuse people of "shooting the messenger because of the message" and this statement alone shows how disjointedly irrational you are concerning this issue. Acharya is NOT "the messenger", she is merely the latest in a series of "messengers" who have all said the same things. What the challenge asks for is EVIDENCE, FACTUAL PROOF in the form of something solid which shows connections between savior gods and the sun and between Christ and the other savior gods. You cannot and will not accept or even understand such a position.
NOW HEAR THIS!: Without something solid to show how these claimed connections exist and why, EVERYTHING Acharya and all the other authors of the past have offered their readers amounts to NOTHING except the personal opinion and/or guessing. GET IT?

All Acharya S. has to do is come to this site, take the challenge by providing the necessary PROOF, and thereby settle the issue to everyone's satisfaction. She has not done so, and she is not going to do so either. Why? Because she CAN'T provide any proof. She's only hacked out a book containing the unsubstantiated material and information published by others in the distant past. She's simply regurgitated their material for her profit.
This might impress you and the rest of her True Believing followers ( all of whom are as dogmatic and zealous as any religious fanatic ever was!), but no one else ( Frank and Chris for example ) is at all interested in this sort of information being presented as "FACT" unless it can be backed up with some evidence.
Its just that simple. So stop talking around the issue with posts like this last one of your's. Get Acharya S. over to this site and have her set everyone straight. Don't offer anymore excuses about Frank and Chris being "kids who don't know what they're talking about". Don't offer anymore excuses about the money being insufficient. Don't offer anymore excuses about Frank and Chris being against "free thought". Just get Acharya S. in here to provide EVIDENCE to show how her positions stated in her book can be substantiated beyond just her or another author's say-so ( beyond her personal opinion/guessing _base_d on the opinions/guessing by other authors in the distant past)
Lengthy posts like this last one of your's only serve to show people how hollow and fragile the work of Acharya S. really is and how she is too cowardly to face up to this challenge and provide what is being asked for.

Geekto, I'll take your last post (more of the same rubbish & hate) along with your inability to answer my questions about any credentials or qualifications of the people who made the videos here at the Zeitgeist Challenge as your attempt at an apology due to your total lack of integrity and character.

There doesn't appear to be a credential or qualification on the subject between any of them. Including yourself. Geekto you're very easily forgettable.

"ZEITGEIST, Part 1" Debunked/Refuted? Acharya Responds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4

I'll just write you off as an insane STALKER and add your comments in the "circular file." Your thoughts & opinions are extremely hateful & obnoxious - you've got some very serious issues & I hope you get some help.

Acharya's response was taken from the blog:

Why don't you answer the Zeitgeist Challenge?

"In the first place, I am under no obligation to answer anyone's "challenge." Secondly, the individuals involved in this particular endeavor, along with their followers, have been very impolite and obnoxious, libeling me with all manner of vile epithets and proving themselves entirely unworthy of response. Thirdly, these individuals are biased Christians who are not experts in comparative religion and mythology, know very little about the subject and know almost nothing about my work, but are nonetheless dishonestly presenting themselves as "experts" on me and my work. These are not credible and credentialed individuals upon whose endeavors I need to waste my own time and efforts. I am not inclined to trust the integrity of such dishonest characters who are going against their own religion by bearing false witness against me, which they have repeatedly done with their libelous, slanderous and hateful comments.

Moreover, in reality I have repeatedly addressed these ZG debunkers, in this blog as well as in my video on the subject. Their response has been to slander and libel me further as well as to spend more time demonstrating that they know very little about the subject matter and even less about my work. Again, these are not credible people with integrity. I understand that people whose feelings are hurt by the information I disclose will lash out and grasp anything they can to cling to discredited beliefs, but desperately following such characters who are being mendacious about their credentials and expertise, and who continually slander and libel decent and honest human beings, is really not the answer.

Furthermore, I answered whatever facts among their abundant non-facts and mistruths this so-called challenge may have produced before it was even issued, in my previous books, especially in Suns of God as well as Who Was Jesus? I also have hundreds of articles and other writings on my websites, in my groups and on my forums. These individuals would not know that fact because, even though they dishonestly pretend otherwise, they do not know my work at all.

These individuals need to be challenged themselves to admit to their many mistakes, as well as their vicious campaign of hatred, calumny, slander and libel, which is a mark of a truly low character and which is nothing new but has plagued Christianity from the very beginning. In the meantime, my latest book Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection thoroughly addresses all of the Horus commentary in the ZG movie. I would not expect these individuals to be honest enough to admit that their challenge is met, however. One would hope, nevertheless, that someone in the believing corner has more class, integrity and honesty to deal maturely and with common decency than do these particular individuals. It is frankly appalling and dismaying to consider that there are others who actually give credence to these individuals, but such is religious indoctrination that it creates disturbed and unbalanced people - as we see abundantly all over the internet, unfortunately.

In any event, my book Christ in Egypt is my main response to all criticisms concerning the Horus-Jesus connection in Zeitgeist, and, once it comes out, unless detractors have read it and can offer a mature critique devoid of dishonesty, libel and personal attacks, we should not be concerned with their opinions."

Like I said, …the facts still remain the same in that, “Jesus was a mythical figure, a personification of the SUN like so many other ancient fables and fairy tales before. Do you disagree? Do you claim he was an historical person? If so, where is your proof? Was Christianity nothing more than a 3rd century, politically motivated construction? Was it not plagiarised from the Egyptian religion? Lets keep things quite simple, if you have ANY constructive and beneficial information showing the information in the Christ Conspiracy to be false, thus proving Jesus was NOT a mythical figure and NOT a personification of the SUN but was a real “historical” personage, then, as I have politely said, either put up the evidence to show this or just shut the fuck up! As it is quite obvious by your posts that you are not even interested in these facts and are just using these forums to continue to do as you so clearly stated, to expose Acharya to the fullest extent.

This is your personal rancour, which you hold against her.

Anyone with half a brain can see just from the hieroglyphic and archaeological evidence alone, that the basis for the Christian religion was stolen from the Egyptians. Is that not true?

So, present your case now for an historical Jesus. Answer the above questions, with answers, …not questions and well see how far you get?

Kindest regards.

SAIFAI